Practical Ways to Get Into God’s Word

WHAT GOD HAS TO SAY ABOUT HIS WORD

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

Matthew 4:4 But Jesus answered and said, “It is written, “Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.’”

Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God.

1 Peter 2:2 Like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation.

John 17:17 “Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.

Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

John 14:26 “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

Luke 10:38-42 Now as they were traveling along, Jesus entered a village; and a woman named Martha welcomed Him into her home. She had a sister called Mary, who was seated at the Lord’s feet, listening to His word. But Martha was distracted with all her preparations; and she came up to Him and said, “Lord, do You not care that my sister has left me to do all the serving alone? Then tell her to help me.” But the Lord answered and said to her, “Martha, Martha, you are worried and bothered about so many things; but only one thing is necessary, for Mary has chosen the good part, which shall not be taken away from her.”

HINTS TO GET INTO THE BIBLE

1. Pray for hunger, persistence, consistency and conviction to get into God’s Word.
2. Read through the Bible in one year.
3. Go through the Old Testament in one year.
4. Read aloud the Bible to your spouse and/or children.
5. Go through the same book as your spouse and/or children.
6. Dwell on one verse throughout the day.
7. Wake up 5 or 15 minutes early to read your Bible.
8. Read the Bible while eating breakfast, lunch or dinner.
9. No Bible, no breakfast.
10. Listen to your version of the Bible on audio tapes, CD or even MP3.
11. Create individual mini-books of the Bible. This is just the book of Romans, miniaturized, copied, glued, etc masquerading as a DayMinder. Mini Bible masquerading as a DayMinder . Mini Bible opened
12. Use your mini-Bible book at doctor’s offices, in lines, anywhere and everywhere you have a moment.
13. Open your Bible when you feel like it…Open your Bible when you don’t feel like it.
14. Read one chapter of Proverbs a day, and watch as God’s wisdom fills your heart and mind. Since there are 31 chapters, if you miss a day or two, just continue by reading the current date’s chapter. This way you won’t feel guilty if you have to skip days.
15. When starting to sit in front of the TV, leave the room and start to sit at the feet of Jesus, in His Word.
16. Do not read any other Christian materials until you read your daily Bible allotment.
17. Do not read ANY of man’s word (magazines, newspapers, etc.) until you’ve read your portion of God’s Word.

If you utilize one or more of these tips, great. Certainly don’t use them as law. Legalisticly doing these will not bring you closer to God. These are just some ways to practically get some time into God’s Word, that the Holy Spirit may use His Holy Word to make us holy people (sanctify us by faith).

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Easy to Use, Yet Powerful Logos Bible Software

I have been so blessed by this tremendous piece of Bible software. Logos/Libronix is so easy to use, yet so deep and powerful as well. The Lord has blessed me with the Scholar’s Library edition of this software and I have added multiple packages to it as well.

This is how it works. Logos is the company name. Libronix is the software engine/application. Packages like Scholar’s or eBible or MacArthur Lifeworks consist of different books. I highly recommend this Bible software over all the competition. Though some Bible software is free like E-Sword, its functionality cannot match all the features of Logos.

Here’s what I recommend for all Christians who are serious about Bible study. First off, if you can afford it, the Scholar’s Library is the way to go. It’s expensive at about $475, but worth it if you have the money.

For most folks, I would recommend two inexpensive packages, when put together give you a whole lot of good Bible study materials for about $30. First off get the MacArthur Lifeworks for only $14.99 This package comes with a TON of John MacArthur books, Study Bibles, reference works and audio books (MP3s). Just one of these hardback books like “Expository Preaching” would cost you over $15. Make sure you click on “Resources List” to see the more than 50 books included.
Next purchase Ultimate Bible Reference Library for only $14.99 This package comes with another TON of materials that will be very helpful. I particularly like Vine’s Expository Dictionary and Vines Learn NT Greek. With these two packages, you will have a great foundation for real Christian growth.

If you want to see it in action, click here for a Demo of the Logos Bible software and here is a nice tutorial on doing a Word Study If you were just curious to try this package out for free, you can by clicking here Free Logos software Although since the free package comes with just 8 books, it’s not really all that helpful for Bible study.

Another great place to see all that Logos can do (specifically if you buy the Scholar’s Library) is www.Logos.com/videos I hope that some of you who don’t use Bible software yet, will purchase at least the MacArthur package as it is a real deal. It usually goes for $60, but is only $15 on sale (the print books would literally cost you over $1000).

P.S. Notice the new ‘comment’ system. It makes it even easier and quicker to leave a comment. You can also ‘attach’ a 30 second audio comment, which is really neat! Give it a try.


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  1. Daniel Foster said,

    February 26, 2007 at 8:51 pm

    Hi, Christy! First off, what a beautiful site design. First rate!

    Thanks for posting a mini-review of Logos Bible Software. I agree that the demo video is the best place for people who are new to the concept of Bible software to see it firsthand. Once people see it, they start to get excited about how great Bible study can be.

    Thanks again!

    Daniel Foster
    Logos Bible Software
    daniel@logos.com

  2. Jobe Martin said,

    March 12, 2007 at 10:57 am

    Hi Ramseks,
    Congratulations on that new baby boy! We will be praying for him to come to a saving faith relationship in our Lord Jesus Christ at the earliest age. Hopefully you all will be able to catch up on some much needed rest–well is that possible with a newborn?
    Love in our dear Lord Jesus,
    The Martins

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Why Does God Love Us?

Have you ever pondered this question? “Why does God love me?” Or to put it another way, “What is it about me that caused God to love me?”. To put it succinctly, the answer to the latter question is ‘nothing’. We will see that the answer to this second question can lead us to a proper understanding of the first.

In reference to why I would respond ‘nothing’ to that important question, let’s look at a couple of Bible verses. Notice that in Romans 3

Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;

Paul declares that we are all vile sinners and yet God justifies us (declares us righteous in His sight) as a gift (in the Greek ‘dorean’, also translated: freely, without a cause) by His grace. The same Greek word is used in the following verse

John 15:24-25 If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would not have sin; but now they have both seen and hated Me and My Father as well. But they have done this to fulfill the word that is written in their Law, ‘They hated Me without a cause.’

Let me ask you a question, “What was in Jesus that would cause man to hate Him?” The answer: nothing, absolutely nothing. In the same way that there was nothing in Jesus to cause man to hate Him, there was nothing in us that caused God to love us. Men hated Christ because of something within their depraved soul. In the same way, God loved us because of something within His glorious being.

In other words, the answer to the first question is: God loves us because GOD IS LOVE (see 1 John 4:8-10). He loves us in spite of us being unlovable. The beauty of God’s love is that He loves the unlovable. He loves us because of his character, not because of ours. Praise the Lord! Because therein is security. If God’s love for me depended on my character or anything within me, it might ebb and flow. But because God is love and God is immutable, He changes not. His love for us is never ending (see Romans 8:37-39).

Deuteronomy 7 also gives us some insight into why God chooses or loves His own.

Deut 7:6-10 “For you are a holy people to the Lord your God; the Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth. “The Lord did not set His love on you nor choose you because you were more in number than any of the peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples, but because the Lord loved you and kept the oath which He swore to your forefathers, the Lord brought you out by a mighty hand and redeemed you from the house of slavery, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt. “Know therefore that the Lord your God, He is God, the faithful God, who keeps His covenant and His lovingkindness to a thousandth generation with those who love Him and keep His commandments; but repays those who hate Him to their faces, to destroy them; He will not delay with him who hates Him, He will repay him to his face.

So why did “God set His love on you or choose you”? The answer from Scripture is “because the Lord loved you”! Why does God love us? Because God loves us! Man is constantly looking for something within himself to make himself approved to God. To think that God would love us immediately (in our self-centered hearts) conjures up in our mind that there must be something of value in man to cause that love.

But let’s praise the Lord and rejoice (boast) in His love for us. God is love and He chooses to set His love upon us, unworthy, despicable ones because of His grace, because He loves us. Praise God that we can rest in His love. May that motivate us to love Him ever more. Brethren, let me echo the exhortation of 1 John 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.

P.S. I hope you all have enjoyed and been edified by all the psychobabble related posts below. I’m finished with that topic for now. I look forward to a bit more variety in the next few weeks. Perhaps more ‘daily life’ type of content. May the Lord bless you all!

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  1. shamshadsamual said,

    October 6, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Dear ,
    God bless you . ihope you are well. if you want biblical translation work. i do this work .in three languesges urdu,punjabi and saraiki.i hope you will send me work soon. thanks.
    in jesus
    shamshad

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Psychology: Science or Pseudoscience?

Below is an excerpt from the Bobgans’ book “The End of Christian Psychology” available as a free download below.

We begin by explaining the title of this book. Quotes around Christian psychology indicate that there is really no “Christian psychology.” What is called “Christian psychology” is comprised of the same confusion of contradictory theories and techniques as secular psychology. Professional psychologists and psychiatrists who profess Christianity have simply borrowed the theories and techniques from secular psychology. They practice what they consider a perfect blend of psychology and Christianity. However, they use the same psychology as non-Christian psychologists and psychiatrists. They use theories and techniques contrived by such men as Freud, Jung, Adler, Fromm, Maslow, Rogers, Ellis, Glasser, Harris, Janov, all of whom we critique in this present volume and none of whom embraced Christianity or developed a psychological system from the Word of God.

The Christian Association for Psychological Studies (CAPS) is an organization of psychologists who are professing Christians. The following was admitted at one of their meetings:

We are often asked if we are “Christian psychologists” and find it difficult to answer since we don’t know what the question implies. We are Christians who are psychologists but at the present time there is no acceptable Christian psychology that is markedly different from non-Christian psychology. It is difficult to imply that we function in a manner that is fundamentally distinct from our non-Christian colleagues . . . as yet there is not an acceptable theory, mode of research or treatment methodology that is distinctly Christian. Science or Pseudoscience?

Pseudoscience or pseudoscientism uses the scientific label to protect and promote opinions that are neither provable nor refutable. If psychotherapy had established itself as a science, there would be some consensus in the field regarding mental-emotional-behavioral problems and how to treat them. Instead, the field continues to expand with contradictory theories and techniques, all of which communicate confusion rather than anything approximating scientific order. Psychotherapy continues to proliferate with its growing number of conflicting explanations of human beings and their behavior. Psychologist Roger Mills, in his article “Psychology Goes Insane, Botches Role as Science,” says:

The field of psychology today is literally a mess. There are as many techniques, methods and theories around as there are researchers and therapists. I have personally seen therapists convince their clients that all of their problems come from their mothers, the stars, their bio-chemical make-up, their diet, their life-style and even the “kharma” from their past lives. Instead of knowledge being added to knowledge with more recent discoveries resting on a body of solid information, one system contradicts another, one set of opinions is exchanged for another, and one set of techniques replaces another. Psychotherapy changes along with current cultural trends. An accumulation of over 400 separate systems, each claiming superiority, should discourage anyone from thinking that so many diverse opinions could be scientific or even factual. Psychotherapy and its underlying psychologies are amassed in confusion, with their pseudoknowledge and pseudotheories resulting in pseudoscience.

Pseudoscience?

Psychotherapists claim to provide advantageous behavioral patterns for daily living, new awareness of the possibilities for selfhood, and adjustment to life and circumstances. They address both internal phenomena, such as thoughts, fears, and anxiety, and outward behavior, such as social interaction, withdrawal, and aggression. However, in attempting to assess and change internal and external behavior, psychotherapy is swathed in subjectivity. Nevertheless, its proponents call it scientific and dress it in professional jargon. Then, staged as a science and costumed in professional-sounding vocabulary, psychotherapy unabashedly performs according to personal opinion, influenced by the many, often conflicting theoretical systems.

Is psychotherapy science or superstition? Is it objective or subjective? Is it fact or fabrication? Such questions are important because we have learned to trust almost anything labeled science. Our society has a penchant for science, for it has lifted us out of the ordinary, taken us to the moon, and helped us explore the distant planets and the inner workings of the brain. We have been impressed, surprised, and even awed by the wonders of science. Science and its accompanying technology have propelled us towards a more comfortable way of life, although not necessarily towards a peaceful state of mind. Science has made us feel knowledgeable, for it has enabled us to discover and describe many of the natural, physical laws of the universe. Likewise, we are anxious to have similar laws to describe human nature. Therefore, because psychotherapy has identified itself with science and has been labeled a behavioral science, many consider it scientific in describing, analyzing and treating the human condition. Although many disciplines outside the realm of science may be fascinating and attractive, they do not command confidence the way science does.

People tend to equate the word scientific with such concepts as truthfulness, accuracy, and reliability. If, indeed, psychotherapy and its underlying psychologies are scientific, they may command our respect and attention. However, if they are not, we have reason to question and to doubt their bold assertions and methods. Since psychotherapy is based on psychological theories, it would be reasonable to ask if these psychological theories can be considered science. Attempting to evaluate the status of psychology, the American Psychological Association appointed Dr. Sigmund Koch to plan and direct a study which was subsidized by the National Science Foundation. This study involved eighty eminent scholars assessing the facts, theories, and methods of psychology. The results of this extensive endeavor were published in a seven-volume series entitled Psychology: A Study of a Science.

Examining the results, Koch qualifies his concerns by saying, “I am not saying that no subfields of psychology can be regarded as parts of science.” However, psychotherapy would be one of Koch’s primary targets when he says, “I think it by this time utterly and finally clear that psychology cannot be a coherent science.” (Italics in original, bold added.) Koch suggests, “As the beginning of a therapeutic humility, we might re-christen psychology and speak instead of the psychological studies.” (Italics in original.) Koch would certainly criticize psychotherapy for living under “the delusion that it already is a science” when it is not. And, he would certainly confirm that psychotherapy “cannot be a coherent science.”

One reason why psychotherapy cannot legitimately be called a coherent science is because it attempts to deal with human complexities that cannot be directly observed or consistently predicted. Furthermore, the therapist and client are each individually unique and their interaction lends an additional dimension of variability. When one adds time and changing circumstances, it is no wonder that the therapeutic relationship escapes the rigors of science. In considering the dilemma between science and personal individuality, Dr. Gordon Allport says:

The individual, whatever else he may be, is an internally consistent and unique organization of bodily and mental processes. But since he is unique, science finds him an embarrassment. Science, it is said, deals only with broad, preferably universal, laws. . . . Individuality cannot be studied by science, but only by history, art, or biography. We could add, the individual not only escapes the formulas of science, but also defies the descriptions of literature. Nevertheless, if one must choose between the two, it appears that literature has more ably revealed human beings. Language describes the complexities of individuality far better than formulas. Language and literature, rather than personality theories and psychotherapy, best portray human nature and provide a glimpse into the depths of the soul.

Does Research Make Psychotherapy a Science?

Further confusion about psychotherapy and science concerns the use of scientific research methods to investigate the success or failure of a given theory or treatment procedure. We will be quoting much research that questions the usefulness of professional psychotherapy, in which scientific methods were used, including the use of meta-analysis, which is a statistical technique. Some people assume that, because such scientific methods are used, psychotherapy is a science. While it is true that research employs scientific methods, it does not follow that whatever is being investigated is scientific. Many nonscientific and even questionable practices, such as E.S.P., biorhythms, fingertip reading, and psychic phenomena, have been investigated by scientific research procedures. The scientific method has been used to investigate everything from art to Zen and from prayer to politics. We certainly would not call all of these “science.”

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2006 Photo Story (2nd half from July to Dec)

Here’s those sweeties again! Please pray for their souls, that they may love the Lord with everything they’ve got.

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  1. Mama B. said,

    February 20, 2007 at 10:27 am

    Praise the Lord for you both and your little punkins! What a fun way to catch up on your year! [I’m glad you suggested using Internet Explorer to view this. I never got your first half to work in Firefox. :( I’ll have to try it now. :) ] We love you all very much and thank God for you and all He is doing in and through you. Blessed be His Holy Name!

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The New Age: Pathway to Paradise?

Check out this full length (1 hr 45min) documentary on the New Age Movement. It was produced in 1983 and features interviews with a younger Dave Hunt (still looks the same though) and the Bobgans. Though this is not explicitly dealing with psychology, a lot of New Age ideas and concepts have come into psychotherapy and thus into the church. It is definitely worth the time to watch. May the Lord bless you all!

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Four Temperaments, Astrology & Personality Testing

The following is an excerpt from the FREE book “Four Temperaments, Astrology & Personality Testing”, attached below.

True and Reliable?

The four temperaments theory also gives an illusion of truth. One can apply all descriptive traits to all humans to a greater or lesser degree. Therefore, when temperament characteristics are placed in categories, people can easily see themselves because of the universal nature of traits, such as friendly, confident, sensitive, dependable, and so on.

Then, when people are told that they may be a combination of the four temperaments, they can easily fit themselves into a classification. That does not mean the four temperaments are in themselves accurate or helpful. It only means they consist of universal traits and that people can identify with them to some degree.

The four temperaments are broad, arbitrarily defined categories of universally applicable descriptive words that apply to large numbers of people. Yet, when people apply categories to themselves and others, they think they have specific information. Actually they may have some broad approximation which might be partly true in a very general sense.This is referred to in research literature as the Barnum Effect, named after the circus showman P. T. Barnum.

In their book Astrology: Do the Heavens Rule Our Destiny? John Ankerberg and John Weldon declare that the “chart of any person is potentially relevant to every other person,”3 Just as in astrology, a particular four temperaments category is potentially relevant to everyone. As we will show later, there are more variation possibilities among the twelve zodiac signs than with the four temperaments. Thus, their statement would be even more applicable to the four temperaments.

Christians and the Four Temperaments

In spite of the lack of scientific evidence or biblical scholarship, books about identifying and transforming temperaments often sound authoritative. They include both plausible information and wild speculation presented as proven fact. Once a person is hooked into such a system of understanding self and others, he will see everything from that perspective. Also, once a person is convinced that he fits a particular category or combination of categories, he will look for and notice confirming evidence. He will look for validation and find it even when it is not there. He will even tend to act according to his new understanding. In other words he will make himself fit that category.

Peter Glick, in his article “Stars In Our Eyes,” says the tendency to look for and notice confirming evidence explains why, “despite the lack of any evidence of their validity . . . millions of people turn daily to horoscopes for clues to leading their lives.” The same is true of the four temperaments. They appear to be true because people want them to be true. They appear to work because people want them to work.

Greater Understanding?

Another reason for their popularity is that knowledge of the four temperaments may also give the illusion of exceptional insight into oneself and others. By using lists of descriptive words and phrases, people assign themselves and others to Sanguine, Choleric, Melancholy, and Phlegmatic categories. The assumption is that once they have placed someone in a category, they can understand and know that person better. However, the whole process of putting a person into a category leads to no substantial additional understanding of anyone.

The process of categorizing self and others relies on previous subjective knowledge. All that happens is that the subjective knowledge one already has about a person is organized according to an artificial arrangement and given a name. For instance, if you “discover” that your child is “Phlegmatic,” you were already familiar with enough of his characteristics to line them up with the adjectives listed under
“Phlegmatic.”

All you have done is to match descriptive characteristics and come up with a name: “Phlegmatic.” But, since the list could not have included everything about your child, the word Phlegmatic may be inaccurate and misleading. You might actually understand your child less for having matched the available adjectives, because you might now focus on those characteristics and ignore others that might be far more important.

Knowing the temperament traits and categories can actually hinder knowing and understanding ourselves and others. For instance, one characteristic may be noticed in a person in a particular situation. Then, as quick as a flash, that person is popped into a category and assigned the other characteristics associated with that temperament, whether or not the other characteristics specifically apply. As soon as a person is placed into a temperament category, there is a tendency to view that person accordingly. Then the temperament user may simply react to the label, rather than respond to him as a real, living person.

Using temperament or personality typologies undermines the complex variety of individual differences expressed within the vast possibility of social interactions and circumstances. People are not exactly the same in different circumstances. One who may appear reserved and quiet in some circumstances may be highly expressive and outgoing in others.

An Excuse for Behavior?

Another reason for the four temperaments’ popularity may be their fleshly appeal. Those who encourage Christians to utilize the four temperaments for spiritual growth consistently warn against using temperament weaknesses as excuses for behavior. Unfortunately, that is a great temptation—to move from “understanding” why I act a certain way to “excusing” sinful behavior because of “my temperament.” Whenever sinful behavior is relabeled “weaknesses,” there is a dwindling sense of responsibility and a gnawing sense of being trapped in helplessness. Once resigned to one’s weakness, one may attempt to “make up” for that “weakness” by developing and focusing on the so-called “strengths” of the particular temperament one thinks he has.

An Appeal to the Flesh and Pride?

While some may be tempted to use their temperament type to excuse behavior, others may be attracted to positive qualities associated with their particular type. Every category has positive characteristics that a person may apply to himself.

It is easy for many people to fit themselves into several categories through lists of positive characteristics. It is when negative characteristics come along that people tend to shy away from certain categories and limit themselves mainly to one category—as long as the positive outweighs the negative. The four temperaments seem to work because of positive illusions people have about themselves.

The further temptation then is to become proud of one’s own temperament and one’s own self. “Oh, yes, I’m a Sanguine. I’m outgoing, friendly, warm, and enthusiastic. However, I’m not inconsistent, so I must be partly Phlegmatic.” Indeed, one can pick and choose among the characteristics and come up with a very enticing, deceptive conception of self simply by applying attractive characteristics to oneself.

Whenever there is a system which encourages people to analyze themselves, the self-focus can lead to pride. Or, it can lead to reverse pride—self-pity or any of the other self-preoccupying activities of mind and heart.

Better Communication?

Other reasons for the four temperaments’ popularity are the direct and implied promises for improving communication. When temperament book authors suggest ways to improve communication through understanding the four temperaments, there is an underlying requirement to figure out the temperament of one’s spouse, children, business associates, and others with whom one might desire better communication. All kinds of people who profess Christianity are analyzing themselves and others according to the four temperaments. Rather than communicating on the basis of love and truth as revealed in Scripture, they are attempting to manipulate the relationships to fit temperament strengths and weaknesses. Indeed, using the temperaments can turn spontaneous interactions into manipulative interchanges.

Self-Improvement or Sanctification?

Best-selling books on the four temperaments and other similar typologies give people the idea they can change themselves for good as long as they have this special knowledge. Some people think that through this particular knowledge they can replace their weaknesses with their strengths and thereby enhance their own identity and improve their behavior. Promises of improvement and change abound in books that offer “transformed temperaments.”

Some books equate the sinful human nature with the four temperaments and the fruit of the Spirit with the so-called new temperament a Christian gets when he is born again. The books offer even more than self-improvement; they offer a brand new temperament to bring out and enhance the strengths of the existing temperament, which has already been identified as the sinful nature. Thus, through the religion of the four temperaments, new birth supposedly gives one a new temperament, which supposedly improves and enhances the old, sinful, natural temperament. Obviously attempting to wed the four temperaments theory with the doctrines of salvation and sanctification leads to a great deal of theological confusion.

Rather than clarifying the biblical doctrines of man—creation, salvation, and sanctification— focusing on the four temperaments muddies the water. Worse yet, the four temperaments theology poisons the pure water of The Word.

When one uses the Bible to promote pet theories and transmogrifies the fruit of the Spirit into temperament traits, one ends up with a religion of works. At best, studying the four temperaments may aid in very superficial self-improvement. But, even that possibility has not been scientifically verified. The crux of the matter is this: should Christians learn and utilize the four temperaments theory of personality or any other psychological theory of personality for purposes of understanding human nature and progressing in their spiritual life?

Compatible with Scripture?

Many Christians are captivated by the popularized four temperaments doctrines, because they have been convinced that the teachings are compatible with Scripture. We are living in a psychologized society.

Many Christians have become counseling psychologists who attempt to integrate their pet psychological theories and therapies with Christianity. Each psychologist or counselor who tries to integrate psychological theories with Christianity believes that his combination is biblical. He may be incorporating personality theories of Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, Alfred Adler, Abraham Maslow, Fritz Perls, Carl Rogers, Albert Ellis, and/or Viktor Frankl. However, there are serious problems with attempts to integrate psychological theories of personality with the Bible.

The primary problem is that such personality and counseling theories offer unbiblical explanations about who man is, how he should live, and how to change him. While there may seem to be points of agreement, such as the importance of love, at base such theories are antithetical to Christianity. Each presents a world view devoid of God. Each gives an unbiblical philosophy of life (who man is, why he is here, and how he should live).And, each offers another means of salvation and sanctification. Therefore psychological theories of personality are actually rival religious systems.

The four temperaments and other personality type systems did not originate from Scripture. They are part of that philosophical/psychological pool of man-made systems and personal opinions which attempt to explain the nature of man and present methods for change. Christian authors promoting the four temperaments and similar typologies base their ideas on unproven psychological theories and subjective observations which are based on neither the rigors of scientific investigation nor the rigors of exegetical Bible study.

Personality theories and temperament typologies are filled with human notions about the nature of man, how he is to live, and how he changes. Temperament tests and personality inventories also are based upon the same flimsy foundation of psychological subjectivity rather than on science or the Bible.

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  1. Mom said,

    February 24, 2007 at 5:30 pm

    This piece taken from the book was well written.

    I enjoyed it very much and agree fully with it’s arguments
    & foundations! There needs to be more writings brought
    to the forefront so heads of True Christian denominations
    can see clearly the wrong there is in their choices they have made.

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Bible Verses on Self-Image, Self-Esteem, Self-Love, etc

I found the following on a website a few years ago. Good, concise commentary on a plethora of verses. Make sure you hover over the Bible verses so you can read them, then get the commentary:

The attached Bible verse explanations (New Testament and Old Testament) detail how God views us and how we should view ourselves. Taken in proper context, the attached Biblical references clearly indicate that there is no biblical basis for self-esteem, self-love, self-acceptance, self-confidence, self-forgiveness, self-assertion, “proper” self-image, self-actualization, or any of the other selfisms advocated by the worldly system of psychology. The Bible’s answer for our emotional “problems”: turn from self to Christ (and His all-sufficient Word).

NEW TESTAMENT VERSES
Matthew 22:36-40- Jesus gives two great commandments: (1) Love God with all your heart, soul, and mind; (2) Love our neighbor as yourself — there is no third command to love yourself. Jesus is saying, “as you already love yourself” — “as” is used in the same way in Eph 5:25,28,33 indicating a state of current existence, not a command. Jesus knows we already love ourselves and thereby commands us to love others with this same commitment.

Lk 10:25-37- Example given by Jesus to illustrate the “love neighbor as yourself” command, presents a story of self-sacrifice (not self-love) towards an object of hate (a Samaritan)!

Matthew 16:24,25- Deny self, i.e., say no to self; not told to self-affirm, self-gratify, or self-actualize.

Lk 9:23- Deny self, i.e., put self to death, daily; not told to self-affirm, self-gratify, or self-actualize.

Matthew 20:26,27- The great are the servants, not the ones served.

Matthew 23:11,12- The great are the servants; the humble will be exalted.

Lk 22:24-27- The servant is the greatest, not the proud.

Lk 14:26- Cannot be a disciple of Jesus, unless deny even yourself.

2 Tim 3:2-5- “Lovers of Self” listed with other “detestable” sins such as slanderers, the treacherous, abusive, proud, conceited; therefore, high self-esteem/pride is a sin!

Jn 12:25- Lover of one’s own life (self) will lose eternal life.

Jn 13:16,17- Humble service is a command.

Jn 15:5- Apart from God, i.e., lover of self vs. lover of God, you can do nothing.

1 Cor 1:18,19- Message of the cross (denial of self) is foolishness to those perishing (i.e., to the psychological self-worshipers).

1 Cor 4:3-5- Objective judgments are ours to make, but those regarding overall worth or esteem belong to the Lord.

1 Cor 13:2- Self-esteem advocates teach we must be of value to ourselves in order to be able to love others, but God tells us that we are nothing, unless and until we love others.

1 Cor 13:4,5- Definitions of what love is not — not envy, not boasting, not proud, and not self-seeking.

2 Cor 3:5- No competence in ourselves (no pride), but only from God.

2 Cor 5:15- Live for Christ, via humble service, not for yourself.

2 Cor 10:12,18- Look to Christ for comparison, not to yourself; i.e., no self-esteem gospel.

Eph 3:8; 1 Tim 1:15; Rom 7:24- Sounds as if Paul has a terrible self-esteem problem! Paul recognizes his rotten condition, to be resolved only through the gospel of the cross, which is a “humble servant” attitude.

Rom 12:3b — Don’t think of yourself too highly, but with sober judgment — notice that Paul makes no mention of the possibility of one under-valuing himself.

Gal 6:3,4- Sober evaluation should be made not on the basis of how one is doing in comparison with others, but by comparing oneself with Scriptural standards, and of course, Scriptural standards stress humility and putting self
to death (denial of self), not boosting one’s self-esteem.

1 Cor 10:24- Nobody should ever seek his own good, but the good of others.

Eph 5:21- Submit to others for Christ’s sake: i.e., humble submission, not pride.

2 Cor 11:30- If boast in anything, boast in weakness!

Phil 2:3- Do not act out of self-concerns, but for others, and then in humility.

Heb 13:17- Submit to your spiritual leaders, not your self-desires.

1 Pet 5:5-7- Be humble toward others because God opposes the proud.

Col 3:12- Christians should clothe themselves in humility.

Eph 4:2- We are commanded to be completely humble and gentle.

James 4:10- Humility leads to esteem — esteem from the Lord.

Lk 6:31- The golden rule: Jesus could confidently make this statement because He knew we already loved ourselves; i.e., if hating ourselves was our natural condition (as the “self-esteemers” tell us), then it would make us happy to be treated badly (as it would confirm our hateful feelings of ourselves), and Jesus would, thereby, be telling us to treat others with the same contempt and loathing that we desire for ourselves.

Lk 6:32- The fact that Jesus refers to “sinners” (i.e., enemies of God) as practicing the, “I’ll love you if you love me first,” philosophy, the self-esteem teaching that, “You have to love yourself before you are able to love others,” must, thereby, also be rejected as being ungodly.

1 Jn 2:16,17- Man’s “boasting of what he has and does” (i.e., self-esteem/pride) is not the will of God, but is “of the world.”

Phil 2:5-8- One’s “attitude should be the same as Christ Jesus” — i.e., “made Himself nothing,” “taking the form of a servant,” “humbled Himself,” “became obedient to death.” In general, one should have an attitude of a humble
servant-loving, self-sacrificing, compassionate, submissive, obedient, courageous, and holy — i.e., no “selfisms” at all, only “otherisms”!

2 Cor 12:6,7- Even though Paul would have possibly been warranted in having a so-called “healthy” self-esteem, he refused to boast; God, also, didn’t want Paul to have high self-esteem — i.e., conceit.

OLD TESTAMENT VERSES
Gen 18:27- Abraham, a believer at this time, has a proper view of self before God — “I am nothing but dust and ashes.”

Exo 3:11,12- God didn’t build up Moses’ self-esteem, but only promised to be with him.

Jdg 6:14-16- God didn’t build up Gideon’s self-esteem, but only promised to be with him.

Jdg 7:2- God reduced Gideon’s forces to such a ridiculously low level that they would have to exalt God, not self, when victory came.

Job 1:8b — Job’s true status, in which he could “rightfully” boast (”a man who fears God and shuns evil”).

Job 25:5,6- God views man as a maggot and worm — hardly a “high self-esteem” teaching.

Job 42:6- Proper attitude toward sin is self-despising and repentance.

Prov 22:4- Humility and fear of the Lord bring honor and life.

Prov 16:5,18,19- Pride leads to destruction; better to be lowly in spirit.

Prov 18:12- Downfall of man is pride; humility required for esteem and honor.

Deut 10:12- God requires a humble walk, and love and service to Him.

Deut 8:17,18- Everything comes from the Lord; therefore, have no pride.

Deut 6:4-9- Have a God-centered orientation, not self-centered.

Mic 6:8- God requires a humble walk.

Psa 62:9- On God’s balance scale, man weighs less than nothing, i.e., negative weight or worth.

Ezekiel 6:9 Ezekiel 20:43 Ezekiel 36:31- Sin brings self-loathing in one’s “own sight” (KJV) (i.e., self-image); therefore, a “proper” self-image in response to sin is a low one (i.e., low self-esteem), not self-acceptance or self-love.

Isa 41:24 Isa 2:22- What is man’s truth worth — “less than nothing;” “of no account.”

Isa 47:8,10,11- Pride/high self-esteem leads to disaster and calamity.

Jer 1:6-9- God didn’t build up Jeremiah’s self-esteem, but promised to be with him and put words in his mouth.

Psa 115:1- Don’t seek glory for self, but for the glory of the Lord.

Psa 36:2- The man who flatters himself, i.e., high self-esteem, is unable to even detect his own sin, let alone hate it.

Psa 34:18- The Lord works in the lives of the humble, not those with high self-esteem.

Psa 51:17- True worship is with humility, not good self-image.

Psa 101:5b — God will not tolerate the proud; i.e., those with high self-esteem.

Isa 6:5- Faced with God’s holiness, Isaiah debases self, not exalts self.

Prov 15:33- Humility before honor.

Prov 29:23- Pride, i.e., self-esteem, only lowers man, while humility gains honor.

Prov 6:16-19- Haughty eyes, i.e., a proud look, listed along with seven other sins that are detestable to the Lord.

Prov 8:13b — The Lord hates pride.

Prov 11:2- With pride comes disgrace, while wisdom comes with humility.

Prov 13:10- Pride breeds quarrels.

Prov 21:4- Pride is a trait of the wicked, and is sin.

Prov 25:27- Not honorable to seek one’s own honor.

1 Kings 3:5-9- Solomon’s humble request was for discernment and wisdom (not high self-esteem), which God honored with wisdom and riches and God-esteem.

Prov 26:12- More hope for a fool than a man with high self-esteem, i.e., a man
wise in his own eyes.

Prov 27:2- Don’t praise yourself, i.e., high self-esteem, let others instead.

Prov 28:26- Those with good self-esteem are trusting in themselves, and therefore, are fools.

Psa 31:23- The Lord will pay back the proud, in full.

Psa 18:27- The Lord saves the humble, but brings low the proud.

Psa 138:6- The Lord looks favorably on the humble, and unfavorably on the proud.

Job 40:4- Job recognizes he has no self-worth in God’s sight.

Jer 9:23,24- Don’t let your attributes be the source of your glorifying, or you have chosen the wrong object for your boasting — the object should be God! Whatever we have is from God, not of our own doing, so our boasts should be
towards Him; praise the Lord, not self.

Jer 17:7,8- A happy and worry-free man is one who places his confidence in the Lord, not in himself; i.e., no self-confidence teaching, but God-confidence instead!

Isa 66:2- God-esteem (the only kind that counts) goes to the meek, humble, and God-fearing.

Psa 139:13-15- The Psalmist uses God’s wonderful creation (man) to exalt God (the Creator), not self (the creation).

13 Comments »

  1. KAI said,

    June 18, 2007 at 2:16 pm

    comment about self.
    so if self is wrong, do you practice what you preach? do you deny yourself or are you an expert in the law. I bet you have a big house & a fancy car catering for yourSELF.
    if a person loses a job how can he get hired if he has an I problem? employers do not hire candidate with an I problem & how does he presents himself in front of interviewers timid & doubtful? I think you are a pastor who does not go to work or not experienced a job loss.

    HOW DID CHRIST CONFRONT THE pharisees, timid & scared or did christ FLIP FLOPPED?

    the self is also a PERSON that is why the bible uses also I, YOU, HE, SHE,
    why did christ use I when he told peter …’peter it is I!’ even christ himself USED THE WORD I!!!

    There are plenty of people like you in the bible, writing articles yet do not practice what they preach.
    i am not surprised if you do not answer this question or comment bec. YOU ARE PROTECTING your SELF!
    BY THE WAY, THE REASON WHY CHRISTIANS lose & miss the blessings is bec of people like you who are ‘quick to look for something to accuse.’ the pharisees did that to the blind man. THEY (persons) said that the reason for the physical blindness is bec. of sin & turned to christ it is unlawful to heal on the sabbath.
    christ also warned US (person) to look out for the ‘YEAST OF THE PHARISEES & THE EXPERTS IN THE LAW.’ they were the once who ’spread’ their religion putting people in bondage, putting weight on their shoulders & stumbling them.
    If you say that self is wrong, then WHAT ARE YOU a sin? even a child of god is a person.
    mt 23:15 …you go land & sea to make a convert, & when he becomes one you make him (person) twice as hell as you are.

  2. kaishinden79 said,

    June 25, 2007 at 4:51 pm

    So, have you people who ARE EXPERTS IN THE LAW, practiced what you PREACH in DENYING YOURSELVES?! WHAT ABOUT RUNNING ANOTHER MILE FOR YOUR BRETHREN? WHAT ABOUT GIVING ALL YOUR RICHES & WORLDLY MATERIAL TO THE POOR - IS NOT THAT ‘DENYING’ YOURSELVES?
    WHAT YOU ARE ‘A SELF-RIGHTEOUS PHARISEES’ ‘WHO ARE CONFIDENT’ OF YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS THAT YOU LOOK DOWN ON OTHERS & YOU DO NOT PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH UNTO OTHERS! AS USUAL NO ANSWER TO THIS COMMENT.

  3. kaishinden79 said,

    June 25, 2007 at 5:48 pm

    comment #3
    If Self is not biblical & it is a sin, THEN WHY DID christ HIMSELF SPOKE UP & rebuke the Pharisees & the EXPERTS IN THE LAW WHEN THEY (PHARISEES & EXPERTS IN THE LAW) WERE WALKING ALL OVER THE PEOPLE. THEY WERE EXPLOITING, PERVERTING THE GOSPEL THAT PUT PEOPLE IN BONDAGE & A LOT OF WEIGHT ON PEOPLE’S SHOULDERS! THE PHARISEES THOUGHT THAT THEY CAN DO THE SAME MANIPULATIVE TACTIC ON CHRIST. CHRIST DID NOT SUBMIT OR SERVE TO THE RELIGIOUS ABUSES & RELIGIOUS MANIPULATIONS OF THE PHARISEES & THE EXPERTS IN THE LAW. CHRIST DID NOT SUBMIT TO THE SO-CALLED ‘SERVANTHOOD’ DESCRIBED BY THE PHARISEES!
    YOU ARE DOING THE SAME RELIGIOUS MANIPULATIVE TACTIC CALLING IT SUBMISSION OR SERVANTHOOD BUT YOU WANT TO LOOK GOOD FOR CHRIST BY ‘LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO ACCUSE!’ THAT IS WHY THERE ARE 4 PEOPLE IN THE BIBLE THE PHARISEE, EXPERTS IN THE LAW, HYPOCRITES & PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LOOK FOR SOMETHING TO ACCUSE. THAT IS WHY CHRIST WAS ANGRY AND REBUKED THE PHARISEES FOR THEIR ARROGANCE!

    YOUR TEACHINGS ARE ABSOLUTE RELIGION YET YOU CANNOT & DO NOT PRACTICE THE ABSOLUTE RELIGION YOU INPOSE ON OTHERS!!!!!

  4. Alvin said,

    October 29, 2007 at 1:27 pm

    This whole thing bums me out. Denial of the self is not the same as rejecting the self. This is confused logic and very improperly interpreted from Scripture. On the contrary, the one who rejects himself will be engrossed with himself. Something I fear could be a problem someday with people who write things like this.

    Why do people write things like this? What can they gain? If you only love your neighbors as much as yourself as the interpreted standard, then you might as well do them a favor and beat the worth out of them as well. That way, you can save them the trouble of having to do it when they find Christ. I’m sure that will make them want to sign up.

    Vanity.

  5. tramsek said,

    October 29, 2007 at 4:38 pm

    Hi Alvin. I’m afraid I don’t understand your comment. What is your understanding of the difference between ‘denial of the self’ and ‘rejecting the self’? In what ways will the one who rejects himself be engrossed with himself?

    As for the motive for me posting this, it was to glorify God by encouraging Christians to humility, to think more highly of others than themselves, to die to themselves, and to deny themselves. The gain I was looking for is nothing personal, but rather that Christians may be conformed to the image of Jesus, who gave up his own life for God’s glory and our good.

    As for the proper understanding of ‘loving your neighbor as much as you love yourself’, the idea behind this is that you already love yourself, that is you care for yourself. You already feed your self, groom yourself, clothe yourself, etc. Jesus is not encouraging us to love ourselves more, He is saying love your neighbor the way you already love yourself. The same care and effort that you put into caring for yourself, do that for your neighbor. So feed, groom and clothe your neighbor with as much care as you already do for yourself (btw, your neighbors include your enemies). Notice that Jesus went on to say that He had just given them two commands 1) Love God and 2) love your neighbor. He didn’t say three commands (which the pop psychologists would have us believe) 1) Love God 2) love neighbor and 3) love self.

    Hope that helps.

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  6. Alvin said,

    October 29, 2007 at 10:29 pm

    You don’t understand my comment? Don’t you realize how your blog comes across to people? To a new reader (God forbid, an unbeliever) you can so easily sound like a self righteous, insensitive man telling people that even something as important as self-forgiveness should never be an issue. And I am sure that is not your intention, right? You deserve the benefit of the doubt. I mean, you do know the Bible’s answer for emotional problems also includes “weep[ing] with those who weep”, right? Or do you just hand bi-polar depressives a New Testament and say “I’ll pray for you”? This cannot be your way, right! Anyway, I admit I may sound frustrated, but I am just so saddened that this stuff still goes on because people like you just don’t seem to see how you place heavy burdens on mens backs and don’t lift a finger to help carry them. I have to clean up your messes every time I share the gospel, it seems. And you should not criticize the healing arts too much either (pop-psychology, indeed!). Had we been doing our job, affirming and admonishing in true love instead of neglecting emotions for insensitive, stoic legalism, they wouldn’t have so many spiritually disillusioned people filling their offices. Better yet, money wasted on those “quacks” could be better spent to build larger buildings further away from the poor in wealthier, more potentially tithing neighborhoods! I am not saying you don’t practice what you preach like that other guy (I don’t know you enough to say something that mean), but in my heart I have to say I wonder that you have either A) never experienced a true, deep hurt or issue of emotional pain or B) you have and you have repressed it with some kind of “holy denial” and shoved it down to places you don’t talk about at Bible study. Either way, this kind of attitude hurts people, brother. It sounds unloving to the world. It leaves them with a bad taste in their mouths for God. And if you’re going to use the privilege of the internet to broadcast your views, then at least try to have the sense to consider the condition of your readers and hearers and respect their stories. No offense… you do know the words but I don’t think you know the music; you must not know that love can be murdered by the truth.

  7. tramsek said,

    October 30, 2007 at 9:24 pm

    Alvin,
    First off, the Bible is my sole authority in life and practice. So regarding the “importance of self-forgiveness”, the Bible never talks about a person forgiving themselves. God is the one who forgives us, we should forgive others who sin against us, but nowhere will you find the Bible proclaiming that we need to forgive ourselves. I think we need to ACCEPT God’s forgiveness of our sins. But to forgive ourselves is a humanistic concept that started with the atheistic psychologists like Fromm, Rogers, etc. Since they didn’t believe in a God, but they saw the reality of guilt, they needed some way to absolve themselves of the guilt and thus took the place of God in ‘forgiving’ self. When Christians sin and we harbor guilt, we need to repent and accept God’s forgiveness at the cross.

    Secondly, I highly believe Christians need to weep with those who weep. We need to love people in TRUTH. That includes standing and walking with those whom we love. It also means to confront their misunderstanding of the Scripture and hopefully be a used as a tool by the Holy Spirit to renew their minds. I totally agree that we should not neglect the emotions for legalism. But what in the blog post is legalistic, exactly? Rightly dividing the word of truth is not legalism. Nor is pointing folks to the all-sufficient God who is able to heal all our iniquities.

    As for building larger buildings, I hope you can see from my posts, that we actually meet with the church from house to house (like you). As for experiencing an emotional pain, I’ve had my share and part of overcoming it is to not dwell in it. To set your mind on things above, not on the things of this world is part of how God transforms you. You’re right that I may not understand how true, biblical love can be murdered by God’s truth. Would you care to explain?

    Alvin, I’m not sure where you’re at with psychology and Christian psychology, but hopefully some of the posts on my blog will be helpful to you. Check out the posts between January 12th and February 22nd. These include some really good videos.

    May the Lord bless you as you seek His kingdom and His righteousness first.
    Tony

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  8. Alvin said,

    October 31, 2007 at 1:52 pm

    Jeremiah 6:14 & 15
    They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. ‘Peace, peace,’ they say, when there is no peace. Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when I punish them,” says the LORD.

    How can Love be murdered by the truth? In the same way I could give you a powerful pill for the wrong illness or offer you the right pill (in some situations, shove it down your throat) without water. You MAY still get the help you need clinically, but you may also not and even be worse off, have unnecessary side effects and detest the experience so much that you may even decide next time to choose sickness over health! Might this be a good analogy for some of those who have walked away from us back to the world? For some reason, once many Christians get rescued, they too easily forget what it was like to be drowning and end up “shooting the wounded”. I am not sure how or why this happens, but my guess is it is because we do not really understand we are being saved from.

    And for the record, this explanation is not endorsing being liberal or watering things down to save souls. Sin is sin, but sinners are to be loved regardless. Rather, it’s meant to admonish us to be discerningly considerate of our hearers when we minister and beyond. It is toward living the balanced life between the “bone” of substance (the Word) and “flesh” of sensitivity (The Spirit), if you will. This is better termed by Jesus as “Spirit and Truth”.

    And as far as scripture goes, Just because “it is written”, does not mean it is applicable to each situation blindly. Water is a good thing, but it can quench, clean or drown. It all depends on how you use it. Outside of the enlightenment of the Spirit of God (not the “spirit of education”, mind you), the Word can be misused and can even be misleading to some. If this were not true then how did Satan use scripture to tempt Jesus? How did the Pharisees get into so much trouble with Jesus for “diligently searching the scriptures” but not finding him? How did the Confederate South use scripture to justify enslaving and discriminating against the African people? I could go on. No, it is the Spirit that brings the true power to God’s word by enlightening us to its intended meaning for the intended situation and our job is to discern and trust that. If we can humble ourselves and live this way, then we may see the world-weathered sin laden prodigals return to a house of Love.

    This also leads me to respond to another one of your statements above. I have heard believers call Scripture their sole authority before. My sole authority is God. The only time the “Word” is my authority is when it is Jesus… THE Word. But the Bible itself is the collection of holy books that simply reveal His authority in a written form, translated into our language. It is no more an authority in itself than a Law book is the Law in itself. And yes, it is truly empowered against evil and enlightened to the faithful, but mystically so, and by God only. Apart from God, words are just words, but thanks to God, His words written ARE the Bible, God-breathed and useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. But the Bible requires Him to enlighten it for me to use it properly. My Bible tells me people need to be saved, but it does NOT tell me if my neighbor is saved. No, it is the Holy Spirit who does this through either enlightening specific scripture or giving me some experience.
    In other words, the only purpose for the Bible to me is that humanity would know its Author.

    And as far as dwelling in issues of pain, I agree with you that it is not good to wallow in things unnecessarily, but before you judge who may be doing that or not, consider Job or Jeremiah ( Lamentations 3:26-30 as an example). Sometimes God just lays heavy things on people. Again, we must seek the guidance of the Spirit to be sensitive to that. Hope that helps some.

    But I feel now that our biggest issues here in this discussion may be best explained by a problem of semantics, and mainly on two subjects. First, I will explain this with “Self-acceptance”. Accepting oneself in humanistic terms means to find your worth within yourself and is is often called “self esteem”. I think we agree on this. And in this case, for the believer in Christ (as I also think we both would agree) this is wrong thinking because it looks to the self, or to the creature for worth rather than to the Creator, or beyond the self. Our worth, rather our identity is to be in Christ alone. More like saying it is not “who” we are, but “whose” we are. Ok. Settled. Now, our problem is that the term ” self acceptance” has mistakingly (in my opinion) become synonymous with “self-esteem”. Here, in a possible dual meaning may lie our trouble. Because for the Christian, accepting oneself can also be defined as choosing to accept all of what God has made in you and put you through (spiritually, physically, circumstantially, etc) while working to change for the good what actually can be changed by the Spirit of God. In other words, self-acceptance in scripture may be better referred to as contentment.

    Second, “self-forgiveness” obviously falls under this same confusion as the term can have a dual meaning as well, a possibility which I agree you have properly referred to above. Because while it is true that humanistic thought can steal its glory by using the term to define an introspective act of behavioral conditioning with no “god” required, forgiveness in itself is nothing BUT God! It has no true power outside of Him. Survival of the fittest does not “forgive”, it selfishly eliminates or consumes. You would better call it “Self-forgetting”. Instead, forgiving oneself truly is the act of receiving the forgiveness God does impart to us.

    But choosing to forgive myself is no sin, Tony. It is only a joining with God in agreement of my absolution, disarming shameful regret and fulfilling the great scripture “There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”. Though this may not be the best term to describe this act because of atheistic psychologists like Fromm, Rogers, etc , hopefully it is easy to see how easy it is for us as Christians to include the word “self” in it. We need to somehow redeem this term.

    Hopefully this has helped some to better explain my concerns. And as far as psychology and Christian psychology go, I can say this: probing of the mind may be able to reveal some core issues and even stabilize in a crisis, like putting a psychological or even mental “cast” over a broken “bone”, but only the Spirit of God heals; Psychology alone can ultimately do nothing.

    May God forgive me if I have sinned against you. I do not claim to be a great writer and I hope I have not made things worse in my attempts to convey my feelings on these matters. And likewise, may the Lord also bless you and keep you as you seek His Kingdom and His righteousness first.

    Alvin

  9. tramsek said,

    December 21, 2007 at 5:33 pm

    Hi Alvin,

    I think I understand now what you mean by “love can be murdered by the truth”. Good point.

    I also agree with your point that the Word can be misused. It is the Holy Spirit that enlightens our minds to the truth of the Bible.

    As for the authority of the Bible, since it is God’s Word, it has His authority. He never pits Himself against His Word. God’s Word is an extension of Himself. It is not merely a normal book, like a book of law. It is living and active, pure and tested, God-breathed, sharper than any two edged sword. The Bible is innately different than all other books.

    As for the terms self-acceptance and self-forgiveness. It seems you understand the semantical problems related to those phrases. Rather than trying to redeem those man made phrases, I suggest we use biblical terms like you suggested. I.e. contentment instead of self-acceptance and ‘receiving God’s forgiveness’ instead of self-forgiveness. I’m afraid all the self-ad nauseum talk is just too tightly connected in most minds to humanistic psychobabble.

    Sorry for the belated reply. Thank you for your interaction and the joy of seeing iron sharpening iron in our discussion. By the way, did you get to watch or read any of the psychobabble related stuff on my blog?

    May the Lord bless you as you seek to serve Him first,

    Tony

  10. Anonymous said,

    March 28, 2008 at 3:51 am

    thank you alvin & tony both…learned a lot from your discussion.

  11. Anonymous said,

    July 26, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    Sounds like what you’re saying is that we should basically think of ourselves as CRAP! I can tell you that a low self-esteem can be just as damaging as a high one.

  12. Elaine said,

    January 24, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    I understand what you are saying. I do not think that it is wrong to have a self image… If I think that I am worthless I will be worthless. If I think I am of value I will act as though I am of value. Self esteem means to honor yourself. Esteem means to give honor to.

    I do not believe Jesus taught about self image, or self esteem or love, as something that was a fix all, he definitely taught against thinking to highly of ones self… SO where is the line… aparently we can think highly of ourselves but NOT TOO HIGHTLY… But that may or may not have anything to do with self love, self esteem, but refers to pride. So when is it Prideand when is it not thinking to highly of ones self, which pride goes before a fall.

    Young men fore instance… take pride in their physical strength… not GOD… man is more complex than to say you should or should not honor yourself like that is an all encompusing statement

    What do you do with people who go through stockholm syndrome who loose all sense of who they are. We do know who we are in Christ but sometime the brain in order to survive TORTURE… shuts down and many people from the holocaust (christians people, never came out of their mentally disturbed states of mind (just staring off into space are we to say they feel sorry for themselves? That their catatonic state is demonic? Having been forced to pull out gold from dead murdered people, loved ones and then loose their mind from the torture. I want to understand, what we as christians are to do with other believers who have been tortured, battered and abused to the place that they have lost IDENTITY… feeling, and a sense of self, and yet are loved by GOD… What would our response be. What do we do when they are not able to function or are damaged from abuse… LOVE COVERS A MULTITUDE OF SIN… but to say that those people just pray a prayer and are fixed is crazy. Some need a comforter, we are admonished to LOVE THEM…. to comfort them with the comfort where-bye we have been comforted. So we have a responsibility to the mentally challenged. TO COMFORT THEM… What do you do with children who have been sexually abused, and girls who have been used as sex slaves, tell them they are free now, go in peace, GOD HAS HEALED YOU…. When a soul is damaged, it takes time to heal it. When someone is paralized from the neck down in bed, and can’t even blow his or her nose when they cry, who are we to say… YOU SHOULDN”T THINK TO HIGHLY OF YOURSELF!!! that is sinful and wrong. God wants you to empty yourself of all pride…. NOW buck up and doen’t be depressed.

    I am so tired of hearing my pastor preach about how easy it is to NOT BE DEPRESSED… It is just as wrong to think LOWLY of yourself as to think POOR ME…. which my pastor says is SELF LOVE…. I do not always think that is true. I would like to just take you and place you into a paralized body and see how you would teach about self image. It has much to do about your concept of GOD and my relationship to him. Yet we are to love one another and LOVE covers a multitude of sin. Including the sin of abuse. But people can’t get well if they are not loved… It has nothing to do with trying to be happy, or not depressed, or in a better situation, but it comes down to love. The church lacks love for one another. If they loved like they were believers, like Jesus did, we would visit more, pray more, not be so argumentative about self esteem or building one another up in the most perfect faith… that psychology is wrong well then, what do you do to help the mentally wounded. ISA 61:1 Bind up the broken hearted. I do not think that means tell them if they feel depressed you are self centered, and you love yourself too much. SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BIND UP THE BROKEN HEARTED? If you are broken hearted can you be defined as having no self-esteem…? Well most christians who talk about self esteem today think of mentaly brokenhearted people as lacking self esteem. SO I guess they are using the term wrong. They should be using the term BROKEN HEARTED… Jesus talkes about men who LOOSE HEART…. if you are battered, abused, put down over and over and over…. you loose heart. AND what should be do as believers (well bind up the broken heart HOW DO WE DO THAT?) Jesus came to bind up the broken hearted. We as believers must do the same. Luke 4:18 “The SPIRIT of the LORD is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the POOR; he hath sent me to heal the BROKENHEARTED, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovery of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, to preach the acceptable year of the LORD.” In America we should understand what liberty is…. and it doesn’t come with a price… We protect our children… from MUCH, but pastors much do the same for the flock of sheep they have too. We much do more than just pay platitudes, and tell people if you did not think so highly of yourself you would have no mental struggles.

    So what does it mean to not think more highly of yourself than you ought to think. Jesus did not tell us how high we are to think of ourselves now did he. And my conclusion is we must be able to think of ourselves in some kind of form that is HIGH, such as I am a HIGH PREST I am made right is JESUS CHRIST. THAT I am made in the image of GOD, that LIFE is value I do not have the right to end it. That I am precious in GODs sight, GOD died for me even while I was yet a sinner. That grace matters and gives me a self image that is made bye GOD….

  13. Alan said,

    February 12, 2010 at 12:09 am

    Wow, deep insightful conversations. Alvin/Elaine pretty much summed up my opinion as well, although I do want to add this point; You can not have a feeling (pride, hate, shame, joy, contentment, love, etc.) without first having a thought. I have been disappointed by the “church” many times because their only answers to hurting people are “just give it to God”. Ok, how? What does that really mean? Say, you tell someone this who is so terrified of people that they can’t even go to the grocery store. They have real phobias that stem from their thoughts about themself. They are worthless in their minds and all we can say is “give it to God sister”. No, sometimes you have to lead people out of situations. You have to help them understand how they got to a point where they can’t even function and show them the way out. Many times it starts with how you talk to yourself! They would never tell their child how ugly, stupid, or worthless they are yet they tell themselves these things constantly… You can for instance be a great speaker and know you are a great speaker and not be proud. Christians have abilities and talents that they can’t use if they think too lowly of themselves. The key is giving God all the praise. Laying our crowns at His feet. Knowing that going to an extreme in any direction is usually not healthy. God bless

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Men will be lovers of “self”

History and foundations of self-love:

1. Self love is never commanded in the Bible

2. Not in the Bible, it’s a result of outside influences. A consequence of trying to integrate man’s wisdom with the Bible.

3. Eric Fromm (a secular psychologist) popularized this mis-interpretation of Jesus.

4. Fromm said we CAN’T love others until we properly love ourselves.

5. Fromm said that since we are to love others and I am an “other” to someone else, therefore I should love my self.

6. Perspectives: God to man, man to God, self to others, others to self and man to self. Doesn’t logically follow that “because I am to love God, therefore I am to love self.”

7. Secular psychologists talk about love, but it’s not self-sacrificial love, it’s love based on what it can do for me.

What the Bible says:

1. In a perfect world there was no concern for self. Only God and others.

2. When Adam & Eve rebelled, a fundamental truth is that they lost a heart that loved God. They hated God. We are all born with hearts that hate God and love self.

3. Scripture says we already love ourselves.

Ephesians 5:29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church.

5. The Bible actually predicted this practice of self-love in these times.

2 Tim 3:2 But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, etc….rather than lovers of God.

6. Jesus said 2 commandments, not 3.

Matthew 22:34-40 But when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered themselves together. One of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And He said to him, ” ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”

7. As yourself means like you love yourself or in the same manner you love yourself, not while or at the same time.

Eph. 5:28 Husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies.

8. Our great need is to learn to love God and others, we don’t need to learn to love self.

9. Not commanded to love ourselves, commanded to deny ourselves.

Luke 9:23 And Jesus was saying to them all, If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me.

10. Jesus said “If you don’t hate yourself, you’re not worthy of me.”

Luke 14:26 If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

11. People who commit suicide don’t hate themselves, they love themselves too much. If they hated themselves, they would want to be in pain. But because they love themselves too much, they want to end their pain.

Our great example and commission of true love:

1. God loves the unlovable. God loves us in spite of our being unlovable.

Romans 5:8 God demonstrates His own love for us in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

2. There’s nothing within me to cause God to love me, He loves me because He is love. It’s based on His character not mine. Therein is security, because He changes not.

1 John 4:10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

3. Now, we are to love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us.

Matthew 5:43-44 You have heard that it was said, YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.

4. Love your neighbor as yourself. We clothe ourselves, brush our own hair, etc. We ought to care for others the way we already care for ourselves. We give second hand stuff to our neighbors, not firsthand; that’s not really loving our neighbor as our selves. We ought to give others brand new clothes, etc.  By the power of the Holy Spirit, we can love others the way Jesus did.

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